NCBA Shows

[pitchick00]

does anyone know who's going to be on the panel this weekend?

i understand that it's usually up to the host...but since it's champs, does that still apply?

and as for judges, i think one of the better tapes i've heard is from Marcus Mills. He's judged a friend's guard...and while i do know him personally, i think like the fact that he'll be so damn blunt about things. there aren't many out there who'll straight out tell you what you're doing wrong in dance, work, etc. and he knows what the dance moves are called too...

i've heard some (names unknown) who'll say," oh that leap thing you attempted is..." geez, it's called a STAG. and then there are some tapes that i just kept heard "oh watching your timing. TIMING.......timing there....timing."

I haven't heard that many tapes, other than his. As a matter of fact, when i look up in the stands i don't recognize the judges anymore. maybe i'm mixing them up with CCGC judges since they're the ones i dealt with last year when i was in an independant guard.

i'm not trying to bash on anyway, just saying what i've heard on tapes from ncba judges.

[JenKozy]

Judge's panel for the first half: Robert Imada and Kris Harper on GE, Kathleen Jones and Teri DuPriest on equipment, Nicole Ginzali and Beth Carlson on movement.

Judge's panel for the second half: Sharon Gordon and Kathy Holton on equipment, Stacy Cooper and JoJo Dangerfield on movement, Fiona Bessette and Diane Bledsoe on GE.


Got the above from another forum member. First half is MS and Novice guards. Second half is intermediate-open.

Hope this helps, and good luck!

[pitchick00]

makes sense for terri to be there in the morning, since her group is on at like 5.

i remember most of those judges...thanks!

[Mookmoos25]

Robert Imada teaches at Homestead, where I perform, and at Amador Valley. He contantly pushes us by saying what judges don't want. He does a pretty good job at that. I mean, he wants us to just do as best as we can, but also lets us have some control (not a whole lot!) From what I have dealt with on a semi daily basis, he is a great judge, one you WILL get adivce on what to clean. I know that in the CCGC and WGI circuit, some judges tell us EXACTLY and he trys to be just as nice. Glad you like him!

[JCYS]

NCBA finals judges are chosen by the board and VP of Winter Activities.

Because of the numbers of groups out at finals, and the double panel, choices are usually pretty limited. Because of this factor the double panel might be in jeopardy in the future.

All NCBA judges serve apprenticeships and go through judges training.

All NCBA judges at finals have judged other shows during the season.

All NCBA participants are given judges critique forms at every show they go to, its up to them to fill them out or not. Honestly, you can count the judges critiques received in one year for ALL judges on one hand.

NCBA is alway on the lookout for new judges. That doesn't mean NCBA accepts all new judges. However, for the past few years NCBA has actively sought new winterguard/percussion and field show judges.

NCBA will be sending out a judges rating form this spring to all members.
It will give all members a chance to rate each judge on each caption.

The NCBA spring membership meeting is the first Sunday in June (like it has been pretty much the past 10 years) at 1pm (as it pretty much has been the last 6 years) and this time its at Foothill HS in Pleasanton.

[JenKozy]

Thank you for letting us know about the meeting.

I personally like the 6 judges on the panels. This year, it seemed like all the classes were tight at the top, and really, if it had been a 3 person panel, I think there would have been a bigger spread.

The only thing I question is, it's been mentioned that people have tried to become judges in the circuit, and were turned down due to the fact that there were enough judges. Since people seem to like the 6 judge panel, and the circuit has such a hard time filling it because there are not enough judges... why are willing participants being turned away? No circuit bashing here, just mild curiosity. I would really like to keep the 6 panels.

[crfrey71]

There is a critical need for more judge training in the NCBA circuit. That's a given. Also, free hands are my BIGGEST pet peeve. Ask any one of my students what my biggest "grrrsss" are about and those free hands will be the answer every single time! I have to admit, really, there aren't really any guards out there doing terribly difficult work... except maybe Vallejo and Foothill.

What's a triad? I have heard this term before, but can't place it...

Fron watching winterguard throught the lens this year, my biggest pet peeve is wasted transitions, moving from one formation to another. What I mean is, I see a lot of walking to the next formation, but there is no equipment use involved or any kind of dance moves involved. I would see many come up front and center, thinking they would be featured, and then, you get nothing. It was frustrating expecially to a photographer, who has to anticipate to capture the right moment, but I think it's frustrating to watch just as a regular fan, poor design. Maybe jenKozy knows what I am talking about and can better explain this, than I can.

[JenKozy]

Oh, I totally know what you mean. You stalk someone through your lens, ear cocked to the music, knowing something big is coming, and bam. Nothing happens. Very frustrating. 'Specially since you have set yourself in the position to make the shot happen.

I know I am not the only instructor in the circuit that would love to have shots taken of their students in action on the floor. I know there are a bunch of parents out there that would pay good money to have a shot of their child in full guard / drumline glory!

[crfrey71]

I thought on how to better explain it. I see many times when guards transition from one formation to another, and there is absolutely no choreography involved. Then, I say to myself in my head, "Why did you go there in the first place?" Movements should be efficient, not wasted motion.

Does that sound better now, Jenkozy?

[sokkerboie]

HEY MISS NIKKI...DO YOUR JOB as a moderator. It was decided that circuit bashing and personal attacks were grounds to get a thread locked. So why is this one continuing????

First of all, do NOT tell me how to do my job. If you have a problem you need to PM me, not pull something like this. It is totally DISRESPECTFUL.

Secondly, for some reason my editing options as moderator are not showing up so I have been unable to do ANYTHING. I'm hoping Bandmaster or Harvey will have that fixed shortly. So everyone will have to sit tight until I'm able to do ANYTHING.

I will read and review this post. If it seems inappropriate, I will have talk it over with Bandmaster or lock it. If it's acceptable, then be a sport and don't be defensive. There's always going to be at least one person who doesn't agree, or doesn't want to see it talked about.

Thank you Ms. Nikki - I looked over the posts and really don't think it is about "bashing" at all. I think it is quite fair and reasonable for educators, designers, staff, etc to post their concerns and experiences about ANY circuit. Staff members have a responsibility to hold the judges, circuit leaders and administratos in check. There are ALWAYS going to be people who complain out of bias with limited substantiation to their complaints. But there will also be those whose concerns and disussions are founded - and I think those deserve to be aired in public - after all we DO pay money to be represented by the circuit. If a circuit is unwilling to listen to those they SERVE then the circuit is pointless and dictatorial.

I trust that if Ms. Nikki sees postings that are inappropriate she will interviene. But I really didn't see any of that in the previous posts on this thread.

If the discussion is raising some feathers and making some uncomfortable, then it is for a reason. Improvements and growth in this activity happen when discussion (both good and bad) is happening between the students, staff and administration.